Hilarious.

Nope. Everything is fine here. Move along. Move along. Campus culture: great! Alcohol policy -- too restrictive as it is! Student body ... healthy young men and women! Move along. Move along. Nothing to see. Work hard play hard. We know how to balance! We're 18! 19! Let's just sweep this baby under the rug! One more for the ole' 'boys will be boys' belt notch! Everything is a-okay!

Hoya saxa.

These were seniors, 21 or 22 year olds, not 18 or 19. The alcohol policy has nothing to do with this.

Yeah. Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. Protect that alcohol policy. Hands off the beer dude. Everything is fine. Move along. Nothing to see here. Go Hoyas! A little drink. A little rape. A little vandalism. A little assault. Everything is cool. Work hard play hard!

Hoya saxa dude!

Nothing wrong with a little school spirit. I agree with Mark. This is hilarious.

Hoyasaxa's delivery is a little off, but I think she's right. "School spirit" does not(or at least should not) involve destructive, drunken rioting.

hoyasaxa, I think you're being kind of ridiculous. I mean there wasn't any rape, there wasn't any assault, and if you read the story you'd see that even the people who lived on the floor didn't really seem to mind.

Yes, there was a little bit of property destruction, and yes, that was stupid, but that was probably only done by one or two people of the people there. I'm not excusing it I'm just saying that comparing it to rape is really degrading the seriousness of rape.

Sounds like kids having some good fun. To relate this to rape or assault or something like that is just stupid. Generally people don't rape in mobs of 20, screaming about how they used to live on that floor 3 years ago.

Stupid, stupid, stupid comment, hoyasaxa.

Mark Lance: (whoever you are)

I don't think you're following the comment. Its not equating this incident with rape. Its pointing out the absolutely insidious tie between alcohol and 'incidents' that tend to happen far too often on our campus, particularly in the last few years. Take a look through the archives of this very newspaper if you need a refresher. And yes ... That does include rape. Not everything will make the rounds (ha! Terrible pun intended) of the campus newspaper or e-mail alerts ...

This is like something from The Onion.

Seriously? It embarrasses me that I'm even in the same university, not to mention graduating class, as these morons. It should be no surprise that they returned to their first-year dorm since it sounds a bit like they never left (even that would be insulting Darnall's current residents).

This is for you "Way To Go":

1. The graduating seniors who lived on Darnall 3 freshman year are some of this university's most successful and intelligent students. We have actively participated in almost every facet of the Georgetown community. We have run for, and been elected to positions in student government. We have written for the Hoya. We have run for Rigby and Relay For Life. We have performed in theatrical presentations to widespread acclaim. We have rallied for the rights of those less fortunate in Red Square. We have tutored the underprivileged in Washington, DC. We have interned for Senators and Congressman. We have been offered positions in the financial services industry, the federal government, at prominent defense contractors, in Teach for America...the list goes on. Some of is will graduate magna cum laude. Some of us have graduated already.

2. You are correct in recognizing that we never left our freshman dorm. The graduating seniors who lived on Darnall 3 as first-years are one of the closest knit groups at Georgetown. We proudly support our floor-mates in all their endeavors; in their success and in their failures. We will continue to support one another after graduation as we affect a positive change in our world, and bring future praise to the university that cultivated our social, spiritual, and intellectual interests.

3. Stop being so melodramatic. Each year the Office of Student Housing incurs nearly 100,000 dollars in damage due to vandalism and drunken debauchery. THIS IS COLLEGE. We are celebrating our last four years of freedom before entering the depressing rat-race of adulthood. The occasional fire alarm/water fountain/exit sign is but a casualty of our burgeoning spirit. Have you considered that you are in the minority? Have you considered that we are embarrassed and ashamed to go to school with you? Do us all a favor and spend your Friday nights in Lauinger, sporting your ugly loafers and pastel-colored polo with the collar popped. We will be busy enjoying ourselves. : )

Re: Joe Hoya.

Boy, oh, boy. You sure showed me! You might want to think a little less highly of yourselves. You sound like a bunch of arrogant, self-important pricks. I have no problem with people enjoying their lives, but, even given your list of "achievements" (who knows what you made up), it seems like you've never grown up... or even started to. "A casualty of our burgeoning spirit"? Give me a fucking break. It's a casualty of your incapacity to do anything meaningful except drink yourselves into oblivion and bother first-year students. This sounds like nothing more than the exploits of the entitled, over-protected freshman who went crazy the first-year of college. And you NAILED ME, broski. I totally wear loafers and pastel-colored polos with the collar popped while I'm casually discussing polo and yachting. Grow up.

Adultstudent

Joy Hoya: Man, that point #3 is rock solid proof of why 4 years of drinking is maybe not such a good idea. Guess who actually PAYS for vandalism..... alums and new students. How about that! When you get that first letter from advancement after graduation, you can celebrate with all your buds that you're helping to pay down the vandalism debt. Way to go!

You're embarrassed by responsible students? Just wow. And you're entitled to debauchery because you're about to enter "depressing rat-race of adulthood." I beg to differ. You are light years away from adulthood. Graduating from here just changes your address -- any perhaps presages a trip back home to your old bedroom.

How can you make any claim to "social interests" when you lack the basic understanding that all dogs have --- don't poop where you eat. Consciously damaging the dorm and disturbing the residents is proof that you have little social conscience.

Get some.

Joe Hoya

I'm hoping against hope that your post is satire or even a pisspoor attempt at comedy. If you are who you say you are, however, I'll just echo what some other posters have already said: Im embarassed that you are a student of the same school. Your behavior AND your response both give Georgetown a bad name. The best thing you could do at this point would be to shut your mouth (after apologizing to the residents and to the school at large) Fyi, intelligent good people don't do asinine things like this. That you ran for office or did extra super good in your classes doesn't really alter what these brhabiors say as regards the core of your character. (a lousy one)

Again, Im hoping that the post was a middling attempt at satire.

A Real Hoya

Everyone here is failing to see the comedy in this whole situation. Most of the residents in Darnall didn't even care. They thought it was funny, just like any normal person would. They will get a new water fountain, and by this point in the year, they all know where the exits are so they don't really need those signs. If it weren't for this incident, their floor would never even have been mentioned in The Hoya. For most of the floor, this is the most press they will get in their time at Georgetown and maybe even in their lives. In the end, it will all just be something to laugh about.

Wow, those are some interesting posts. I wasn't aware that an act of petty vandalism was such a glaring indicator of one's character and social conscience. I must be the most terrible person in the world to receive such harsh criticisms.

For the purpose of clarification, my post was meant to be comedic in nature. Any justification for the events, implied or presumed, was nothing more than a satirical reaction to the ridiculous nature of your condemnation.

Step down from your ivory towers for a moment to put the situation into context and realize how equally ridiculous you sound. Hoyasaxa, you mentioned assault and rape in your satirical post. ARealHoya, "That you ran for office or did extra super good in your classes doesn't really alter what these brhabiors say as regards the core of your character. (a lousy one)" You spelled behaviors wrong, and I hate to break it to you but misdemeanor vandalism doesn't even come close to revealing the core of one's character. If it does, than you must be the most angelic soul in existence.

For the record, I wasn't even a party to the situation, merely defending the character of the individuals you seem fit to label terrible human beings.

And oh yea, how about this one guys. This article was published on the same day:
http://www.thehoya.com/node/15863
How many comments are there? ZERO. This is stupid vandalism...That's genocide. Did you even read that article? Social conscience my ass.

But it's not funny. That's the sad thing. About as sad as the fact that you think that this is normal.

This is not "normal". I don't know what the hell is happening to campus. A large group of inebriated students storming a dorm room floor, banging on students' doors, and damaging university property is not NORMAL. It's not FUNNY.

Who the fu&* laughs at shit like this? You know what's sad? I see people in the impoverished communities where I volunteer behave with MORE respect to one another and to the environment where they live (regardless of how terrible that environment is) than the students on campus.

This is pathetic. And it's disturbing that people are coming along saying how Humorous and Normal it is. It's not. In the real world. Georgetown is FAILING in it's job of vetting potential admitted students and/or training them once they do accept a spot in the class if it's creating a bunch of hoodlums who think that an ideal (or even acceptable) night time activity is to go about destroying the campus.

Grow UP EVERYONE! We are so priviliged and we look like fuc*#$$ monkeys in a zoo.

I am amazed at the level of rhetoric used here. I didn't even know the Hoya had an online edition, much less that people read it. Seeing as how none of us (probably) have any first hand knowledge of the event it is all armchair punditry. I know the vandalism might annoy some people, god knows I was tired of beer and puke stains in the halls of my freshman dorm, but this is college. Grow up, get a life, hop off your high horses, and take notice of a time-tested maxim - the righteous usually have the most to hide.

A fake hoya:

See, I reject your premise. I really do. I refuse to believe that it is somehow 'high horse' or 'righteous' (or as the comedic genius - note the sarcasm - joehoya said 'angelic') to expect from intelligent men and women 18-22 to not behave like this.

Talk about becoming the victim of diminished expectations. You are an apologist for unacceptable behavior. My response is "no". It's not angelic. It's not righteous. It's not high horse. It's just about being a reasonable, decent, good person.

If you (and I don't mean 'you' personally - I mean students) want to have a few beers over the weekend, have a few beers. Go to a party. Hang out with your friends. Hell, once in a while, if you feel the (semi-idiotic but certainly 'right of passage') need to get wasted once or twice, go for it.

But don't come to this page and act as if this sort of thing is acceptable. Or normal. Or funny. Or excusable. It's just not. Here's the reality check: if you acted this way in the real world, your ass would be in jail. Rightfully so. Your comment is representative of so much of what is wrong with a segment of the hoya population. And there are too many people who would do ANYTHING to get a shot at being a student at an elite university like Georgetown to justify keeping people who approve of this shit.

I don't know why I bother writing. It will go in one ear and out the other. The same people will behave just as ignorantly next weekend. In fact, the trend (from my time here) seems to be growing.

I was on D3 in the night in question and I can say two things:

First: Joe Hoya is right in his description of the type of people who make up D3 04-05: some of Georgetown's best and most accomplished.

Second: There were about 30-40 of us up there, and only two people were responsible for all of the damage one of whom wasn't even a member of our group. BELIEVE ME, EVERYONE IS PISSED OFF AT THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE VANDALISM. It turned what was otherwise a light-hearted, humorous event into something that I don't think anybody except for the perpetrators considered acceptable.

People need to stop trying to make this a cut-and-dry issue, and stop pretending like this reflects some major portion of the Georgetown community. There's a difference between a prank, and a prank gone too far. In this case, one D3er went too far, and as a result has pissed off a lot of his/her friends and made us all look bad.

All of the uptight holier-than-thou types populating this forum: get over yourselves. I don't think anybody involved in the event is happy with the vandalism that ended up happening, but really, it's a case of people trying to have some good-natured fun and one person admittedly getting carried away. This isn't the great moral problem of our time and people are just looking silly.

I can actually respect what you said above. You take responsibility (albeit on behalf of someone else) and you sound like a fairly mature / level-headed person.

However, I still wouldn't minimize this incident. With ~1.5 months left in school, mark my words - more of this crap will occur. Maybe some people in this thread are a little too 'incensed'. However, I think that this springs from a general disgust with this sort of behavior populating the campus.

Look, stuff like this happens every single week. It gets tiring. It gets tiring to see the vomit on the floor on Sunday morning. It gets tiring to hear about the student fights, or the defacement of some wall somewhere, or the vandalism, or even the fact that we students somehow have a penchant for getting mugged on the drunk walks back to our places. It gets tiring seeing the germs ambulance go back and forth and back and forth ferrying dangerously inebriated kids to and from the hospital. Every single week.

I wish Georgetown had some sort of plan in place. A way to address what goes on on campus. A way to help the student population strike a good balance between being too uptight (which, admittedly, some people seem to trend toward) and being too totally wild (which other people need to open their eyes up to and realize is NOT ACCEPTABLE)

Whatever. This will blow over. Until the next thing. And the next thing. And the next thing. I'm thinking it's honestly going to take an alcohol related death before there are legitimate discussions about what goes on from Thursday evening - early Sunday morning on the campus of one of the United States' most 'elite' universities.

Adultstudent

Someday a light-hearted, jovial, free-as-the-wind kid will vandalize something that you own. Perhaps your nice new car will get egged. Or someone decides to slash your tire, break your windows, or maybe knock you down as running past you. It will happen.

YOU will scream bloody murder for the little snot who just damaged you or your Beemer.

Guess what geniuses. Vandalism is a property crime. Yep. You're entitled, privileged little criminals. And if your prospective employers knew about it, they wouldn't hire you. Bad character -- that's what you've exhibited.

There was a time when students who pulled this sort of crap were expelled, and reported to the police. You live in a bubble here. You actually believe it's OKAY to vandalize this beautiful place, inconvenience people you don't know, and make the facilities staff respond to your acts of violence.

Where O Lord is your conscience? Have you learned NOTHING here? To the other students who have written to call out this behavior -- carry on. You are the real voice of Georgetown.

Wow, some of you need to get over your selves. This is college. It is ok to get wasted and have a good time. This is not to say that vandalism is ok, but certain people (ie. neither funny nor normal) need to stop being such losers and live a little. Stop wasting your time casting stones and others on this forum and go have a few beer. Or maybe you don't have any friends to drink with, which is why you seem so against the activity (which is normal for any college student) in the first place.

Adultstudent

New, my friend --- one can indeed have a good time (even with alcohol) without trashing water fountains or violating the rights of others.

Get with it Hoya. we have plenty of friends, have lots of fun, and enjoy life.

We just do it with taste, style, and a healthy respect for others.

Grow up.

Hi, haters. This is getting ridiculous, huh? If you all are so incensed by the behavior of this group of people, do something about it. Take some action. Run for student government. Write a letter to Jack DeGioia, so he has some other student need to ignore. If you see someone vandalizing, confront them. Though, from what I can judge from these posts, none of you seem like the type to confront these "evil monsters" face to face. Writing in some online forum, which is only being read by the people who committed the act, will not accomplish anything. So decide now, are you really that upset or are you just looking for something to complain about?

If this really does bother you, my only advice would be to just let go. There was actually a DOPS officer there during this act, and she didn't really care. She just laughed it off and kept it in perspective, which is what you should do. In a moment of excitement, someone made a mistake. It's that simple. There really are more pressing issues both on and off campus. The kids can get water from one of the 8 sinks on the floor, and I am pretty sure they know how to leave the dorm without guidance from their exit sign. And with the way Georgetown nickel and dimes its students, what's a $10 exit sign and $100 dollars in repairs? And please don't come back and correct my numbers, you get what I am saying.

Georgetown did not fail to train us. One person made one stupid decision. I'm sorry, Mr. Perfect, I guess I forgot you never made a mistake. We are all happy, successful people. You don't sound so happy (guarantee someone says they don't need to be drunk and destructive to have fun). Maybe Georgetown failed you, because if you are taking the destruction of an exit sign so hard (one that isn't even on your floor), then you are not ready for the real problems that come in real life. You sound like a bad neighbor in training. You know, that cranky guy that lives next door and jumps at any opportunity to call the cops on you. The old woman who flips if your shrubs cast too much of a shadow on her property. The old guy who gives out rulers for Halloween. Him.

Relax. You're wasting your time and energy. You are at Georgetown, so you obviously are a fortunate person. Put things in perspective and let this one go.

PS--To the guy who said "I see people in the impoverished communities where I volunteer behave with MORE respect", that comment is pretty ignorant. They are poor, not wild animals. Impoverished means less economically fortunate than you, not less civilized, which is what you implied. More money does not predispose you to be more respectful or polite. Get off it.